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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 482 for the 14th of

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January 2018 Richardson is here with you

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from Sydney Australia a little bit

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overcast but still quite them quite warm

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and humid today although in the last

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week we had some pretty big storms I

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must say we had a string of lightning

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storms it was a very entertaining and I

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hope this week's episode of the skeptic

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zone will be equally as entertaining

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we're gonna kick off with a very

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important story

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the Australian skeptics Australian

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skeptic Inc today has launched a

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campaign to help former naturopath britt

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hermes who is being sued at the moment

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for her outspoken views against the

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profession of naturopathy is that a

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profession naturopathy naturopaths

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something like that now britt lives in

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germany at the moment she's PhD student

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and the australian skeptics under the

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leadership of iran Segev who is a

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reporter on the skeptic zone i've

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decided to help come to her aid and

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we've started a sort of an international

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campaign to raise funds to help her

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legal defense that story coming up to

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kick-off the show and i can tell you

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that in the only matter of hours since

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this defense fund has gone online the

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contributions are pouring in it's a

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wonderful thing to see the skeptical

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community in action and of course we

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will be bringing you updates on that

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story over the next weeks and months

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following that it's an interview with

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trish han who is a committee member on

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the australian sceptics trish works at

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the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital here in

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Sydney I went to visit her there and we

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have a wonderful talk about all sorts of

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things revolving around medical

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superstitions but the the conversation

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as you will hear takes its own tangents

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and alleys and

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it's very interesting it's a very

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interesting chat with Trish Hann all

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about superstitions why people are

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superstitious when they enter hospital

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what they do and her take on

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chiropractic manipulation as well and

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lots of other things it was a real treat

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to visit Trish Han at the Royal Prince

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Alfred Hospital and I'm sure medical

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professionals listening around the world

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will get a lot out of what Trish has to

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say and I think I think you will

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recognize a lot of what she says that

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must be the same situation happens in

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your particular area then to round off

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the show a very concerning story about

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the number of preventable deaths that

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have happened in New South Wales this

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state which may be a result of the

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efforts of the anti-vaccination crowd

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and this story comes to us from the

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Daily Telegraph newspaper what a

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wonderful day I had folks I joined the

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rest of the Australian skeptics

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committee here in Sydney for our annual

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Christmas lunch yes skeptics having a

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Christmas lunch well we had it in

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January had at a young char s Toronto

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and a huge round table and it's really

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it was really nice to kick off the year

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with this news about the Britt Hermes

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campaign and just to see everybody on

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the committee as we like to do every

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year before getting stuck into more

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skeptical activism investigations

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reports stories and lots of fun at

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skeptics in the pub and what a fine

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group of people I I work with there at

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Australian skeptics but now it's time

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for me to run downstairs and have

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nothing because I ate so much at Yamcha

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seafood type stuff lots of prawn

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dumplings and things like that and some

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pork rolls and I rounded the whole lunch

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off with jelly or jello as they call it

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in North America little jelly squares so

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this important story comes to us from

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skeptics command a you published on

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January 13th 2018 fundraising campaign

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for grid Hermes you may be aware that

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Britt Hermes a noted skeptical

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campaigner has been taken to court in

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Germany by US base naturopath quoted

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doctor end quote colleen hoover claiming

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that brit has defamed her this concerned

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statements britain made in a blog in

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which she was critical of the medical

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and fundraising practices of the

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naturopathic cancer society and the

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nature works best cancer clinic hoover

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is associated with both Britt is an

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American former naturopath who has spent

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much of her time and effort lately in

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campaigning against naturopathic

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practices she is the author of the blog

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quote naturopathic Diaries confessions

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of a naturopathic doctor unquote which

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he has written since January 2015

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she has also addressed many skeptical

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groups across the world just in the last

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Manchester CS icon in Las Vegas and

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skeptic on in Sydney for this reason

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Australian skeptics Inc is managing a

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fund raising campaign to assist Britt in

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her current legal action we are

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concerned by the case brought against

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Britt not primarily from the point of

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view of the merits or otherwise of the

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libel action but that the case may have

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the effect of silencing a major

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campaigner against unproven and

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disproven quote medical end quote

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practices through the imposition of

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considerable legal costs skeptics will

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be familiar with the libel action

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brought by the British Chiropractic

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Association against Simon Singh in 2018

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2010 following a judgement that Simon

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used a quote fair comment in quote

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the BCA dropped its case nonetheless

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Simon was still left with substantial

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legal costs while no one likes to see

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anyone suffer punitive costs under such

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circumstances

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Simon is a successful author in his own

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right and had the support of skeptical

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groups around the world Britain is not

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in a similar financial situation being a

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PhD student in evolutionary biology at

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current case is being brought against

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her in a German Court and she is already

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incurring considerable legal costs in

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her defence case with this in mind we

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are managing an international campaign

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to raise funds to support her

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of the statements by Britain that are

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the subject of this case we are not in a

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position to assess the legal merits of

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the case but a defence of a leading

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campaigner in the area that most

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skeptics would regard as pseudoscience

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support of Australian campaigner dr. Ken

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Harvey when he was hit with a quote slap

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in quote suit by sensor slim the

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manufacturer of a bogus weight loss

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product the Harvey campaign raised in

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excess of 40,000 dollars Australian

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ensuring that Ken did not have any

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out-of-pocket legal expenses the case

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was found in Ken's favour and he was

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awarded costs however the company went

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into liquidation and Ken received no

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money if you would like to support

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Britain please go to the donations page

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links in the show notes to make your

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donation every contribution will be

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gratefully received please note the

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following point the funds donated are

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non-refundable point we cannot guarantee

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that Brit will win her case point should

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more funds be collected than required to

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cover Brits costs they will be held for

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the legal risk to Britta's past after

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which they will be donated to sense

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about science or be put into a

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generalized skeptic

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Legal Defense Fund no entity link to the

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campaign including Britt so and skeptics

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Australian skeptics Inc is not a

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registered charity in Australia and

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donors should not expect their donations

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ease of both sexes down there so they're

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equal opportunity imagine equal

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opportunity emergency and then some

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announcement going it's Oh Abed might

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have caught fire a hot bed pan or

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smoking signs everywhere doesn't do much

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they still get ignored yeah yeah and

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have a chat about medical as

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superstitions and how long have you been

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working here nearly two years now really

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that long yeah I know right

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time flies we're just oppositely King

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George the fifth building where I think

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my nephew was born oh yeah that was a

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maternity hospital a few years back yeah

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yeah it's a bright sunny day here in

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Sydney oh we're just walking past all

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these hurries now this fire ease is what

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we call the firefighters here in

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Australia fiery Zambos what yeah it's

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just cops the police isn't it was

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nothing yeah I think a wallop is is an

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old term

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he's just heading down here past all the

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ambulances and fire trucks and it's very

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now

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this is looking for some way quiet as it

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happens drama at the hospital you know

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all the secret locations in this

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hospital I imagine for quiet lunches and

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things I do a bit that's hopefully the

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buildings will shade us from all the

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noise

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okay walk around the back very exciting

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oh we're walking through the carry

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and Trish is leading me through the

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building to a a secret location that is

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something we're in the middle of a large

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courtyard here for luck you will see a

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it's a beautiful garden with a fountain

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in the middle very laid out not very big

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and I think if we go over that corner we

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might be able to find some shade yeah

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it's still a bit sunny pass this

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beautiful old fountain

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well there's old or not I don't know it

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looks old no it's must have quite a

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history to it well I know who Prince

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Alfred was do you know who Prince Alfred

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why do you do these but do you know why

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the hospital is named after him and why

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it was built well it didn't know you're

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testing me please Alfred was one of the

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sons of Queen Victoria who came out here

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on a tour it was shot hmm that's correct

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and an attempted assassination attempt

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at assassination and but I don't know

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why this is named after humans it's

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because it was because of that so he was

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apparently he was saved at a local

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hospital that existed at the time and

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they decided then build a new hospital

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in his honor with his name and

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apparently the head radiologist of our

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department has the bullet that was

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removed from him apparently yeah it

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wouldn't surprise me because he's got a

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teens I'm making something reading

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something yeah I think he's a direct

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listeners Trish you're part of the

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stranger things down under group you're

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also on the committee for Australian

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skeptics Inc here in Sydney I am but

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today we're going to be talking to you

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with your medical hat on

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no medical handle because you would have

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seen in your years of service in the

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medical in industry we should would not

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industries and medical profession that's

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the word I'm looking for

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that's know that all the conspiracy

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people say I said industry it's not an

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industry you would have come across some

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interesting superstition

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when it comes to medicine and people who

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come in here maybe in an emergency

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situation who are clinging to things

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maybe absolutely yeah we see some some

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interesting yeah just the things that

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people literally cling on to but yeah

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for their own sort of health or

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sometimes it's to the detriment of their

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health I'd say one of the interesting

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things I've noticed here though compared

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to back home is being back home being

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England yeah so and one of the very

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first hospitals I ever worked in I

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remember being in the emergency

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department and I've been asked to go out

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and collect a bedroom like it was like

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from bed number 15 in the emergency so I

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go out to 15 and I'm counting I'm like

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okay well there's 12 nan 12a oh no no

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didn't occur to me I didn't at all I had

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no idea why there would be a 12-8 but

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you know no 13a or no 11a and then I had

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that light bulb moment or I was like

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there we go and then I noticed it as

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well on one of the other wards and there

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was no bed number 13 there were two

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banks of 12 beds so there would be side

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one bed one right to bed they could have

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numbered them one to 24 but they didn't

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and I think I can't help thinking it was

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maybe it would be quite a coincidence if

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it wasn't to get around that issue I

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absolutely I mean do you see it here

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well that's the funny thing is I haven't

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seen it here run this hospital is pretty

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good for that so we do have a bed 13 in

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our acute Edie you have a ward pudding

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well the problem is the wards and they

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are numbered by floor and we don't have

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13 floors yeah but I can't help thinking

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that they probably wouldn't worry too

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much about having it like that the wards

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that are numbered and then they're named

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by east and west so you have rooms

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yeah there's 13 yeah and in the few

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wards that do have that many rooms

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mm-hmm but there is definitely a bed 13

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on on everywhere I've seen upstairs I'm

402
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very impressed with that but it's funny

403
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as well because in the UK I noticed that

404
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while there may not be an emergency bed

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number 13 there will definitely be an

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ICU bed 13 but because that's the

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patients generally unconscious and I

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think maybe they've come to terms with

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the fact that even the relatives that

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are visiting probably paying attention

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to the bed number when their and

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relatives that intubated or otherwise

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you know for them to come in and say

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it's your own he's on bed 13 what's

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going on one thing I should find out one

416
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thing I should find out is whether bed

417
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eight is a particularly like you know

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big pillow yeah yeah because there is a

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very large Asian community especially

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here in Sydney and I know that there's a

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lot of number superstition around that

422
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but the thing is you don't get to choose

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what bed you go in it gets given to you

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and a lot of the time you might be

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waiting for two hours before a bed

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becomes free so you just get into it as

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soon as it becomes free and that's the

428
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problem we have in our emergency

429
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department is where things get so full

430
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that you don't have that luxury of

431
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picking and choosing so yeah it's an

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interesting concept to think how here in

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Australia I haven't noticed yet I mean

434
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obviously if anyone works in the

435
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hospital elsewhere in ours and they have

436
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these superstitions please let me know

437
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because I'd love to find out be very

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interesting in fact anybody medical

439
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staff listening around the world this

440
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may be something that's ringing a bell

441
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with you maybe your hospital doesn't

442
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have beds bed 13 or 1:30 maybe there's

443
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even local superstitions that I wouldn't

444
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even know about but there are very very

445
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applicable to certain areas maybe

446
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there's something to do with certain

447
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colors that can't be used or things of

448
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that who knows who knows I mean two

449
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positions are very personal aren't they

450
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so I guess if it's a local tradition and

451
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it's something that you wouldn't go with

452
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one thing I've also noticed as well is

453
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when this is totally universal so if

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you're in the emergency department as a

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patient you can get away with quite a

456
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lot we get quite abusive patients we get

457
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spat out we get abused everything of

458
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that so because they're they're not in

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their right state of mind otherwise it

460
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might or they might be up there in shock

461
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maybe over and under drugs okay perhaps

462
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and that happens quite a lot and we're

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generally very tolerant we don't want to

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go kicking someone out onto the street

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who might then die because we haven't

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given them care but if you want a

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surefire way to get kicked out of

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emergency department you walk in and you

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go it's quiet in there at the moment

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isn't it I have been picked up and

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carried out of a resuscitation room if

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you're purely for saying because it's

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funny how people see it as a curse as

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soon as you say the Cure we might say

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don't jinx the situation I've heard that

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yeah go in there oh it's very quiet

477
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tonight

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oh if it all kicks off later it's your

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fault yes yes that's a very very and

480
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another thing as well that people always

481
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ascribe to is um the full moon fairy I

482
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was thinking that always chaos enough

483
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for something you might bring up yeah I

484
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mean in my anecdotal experience it is

485
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always chaos in a full moon but it's

486
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occasionally chaos on a random Thursday

487
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as well and yes and I think the full

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moon thing is more about it was chaos

489
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then you look at a calendar then you

490
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realize it was a full moon therefore it

491
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was chaos because it was a full moon I

492
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don't think you pay attention to the

493
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times when it was chaos

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and it wasn't for waxing like unit yeah

495
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it's not something that you you don't

496
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put that in your memory back yeah yeah

497
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but if there was something else

498
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happening in the sky at that moment on a

499
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completely random other day then you

500
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might subscribe yeah exactly I don't

501
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know what that would be yes a meteor

502
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this garden reminds that these Triffids

503
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could be coming here any moment

504
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that fountain is lovely it looks like

505
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something from the Victorian era it's

506
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all green now I noticed the bird was

507
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just drinking from it and their bees

508
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buzzing around a beautiful place an ice

509
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little kookaburra who will come down and

510
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sweep your sandwich so yeah so another

511
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Super Session yeah as well

512
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sorry and so another thing which you'll

513
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find as well in a healthcare setting and

514
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maybe outside as well you know who knows

515
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certain people will be known for having

516
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really really terrible shifts and it's

517
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just constant and whenever they're on

518
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you know that you're going to have a bad

519
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time equally if you're having a bad

520
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shift and then that person walks in you

521
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know that's the reason you subscribe the

522
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the bad shift to mister or missus XP

523
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look at your roster and you're like okay

524
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well I'm working nights on this on this

525
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night who am i working with

526
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oh no I've got a swap I can't do it

527
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again because the last time you work for

528
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that person six people came in and

529
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something really bad happened exactly

530
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:37,560
exactly well like I mean New Year's Eve

531
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is generally pretty bad and I work the

532
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one just gone yeah my work from midnight

533
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until I am and actually it wasn't much

534
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worse than your average weekend look

535
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really I think the following day is

536
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worse because the following day everyone

537
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wakes up and I realize when the

538
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hangovers start kicking in that actually

539
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,050
that wrist is more swollen than it

540
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,480
should be my ankle hurts more than it

541
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people have fallen over or whatever the

542
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,990
gone to bed completely drunk woken up

543
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with a big swelling and thinking oh no

544
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exactly exactly unfortunately one thing

545
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that we do see a bit of an increase on

546
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on these

547
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attempted suicides really people only

548
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same as Christmas it's things but

549
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:16,610
another thing we definitely get a lot of

550
00:24:19,299 --> 00:24:18,200
is overdosing some people that just

551
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,309
don't know how to handle their

552
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,679
substances whether it be alcohol all the

553
00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:23,600
way up to other things one thing it

554
00:24:28,659 --> 00:24:26,990
which kind of was typical I reckon with

555
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:28,669
them so I don't know if everyone's aware

556
00:24:32,049 --> 00:24:30,650
but could drugs like ecstasy make people

557
00:24:41,370 --> 00:24:32,059
very lovey-dovey and they love each

558
00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:41,380
other and they're kissing in there so

559
00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:43,909
you can generally notice when everyone's

560
00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:46,820
ecstasy or MDMA has worn off because in

561
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:48,200
the alcohol kicks in and they start

562
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:50,090
punching each other oh so it goes from

563
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:51,289
one to the other

564
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:52,940
yeah well huggy and lovey and then the

565
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,890
MDMA well next thing you know it's

566
00:24:59,710 --> 00:24:57,200
broken fists and broken jaws as far as I

567
00:25:01,390 --> 00:24:59,720
can see so that was about two o'clock in

568
00:25:04,659 --> 00:25:01,400
the morning on New Year's Day yeah

569
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:04,669
started getting those coming in so the

570
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:08,990
alcohol one I find interesting because

571
00:25:12,730 --> 00:25:09,890
you know we all like to have two

572
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:12,740
drinking parties and everything else I I

573
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:16,640
know I've had a couple of nasty lot of

574
00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:18,500
people have but I've never had the stage

575
00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:21,320
where I've thought that I was really

576
00:25:26,409 --> 00:25:23,780
seriously in trouble you know I suppose

577
00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:26,419
that's what you get here yeah I think a

578
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:29,539
lot of it as well I don't know

579
00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:31,730
the lockout laws in the in Sydney so a

580
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:33,320
brief description of the lockout laws

581
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:36,500
here that it was to avoid having

582
00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:38,090
situations where people were getting so

583
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,169
drunk that they were then becoming

584
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:40,400
violent and they were doing a thing

585
00:25:44,140 --> 00:25:42,350
which was called King hitting where he

586
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:44,150
was yeah one punch they got behind

587
00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:45,590
someone on the street smack on the back

588
00:25:48,669 --> 00:25:47,000
of the head and then a few situations

589
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:48,679
where those people actually died you

590
00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:50,330
know one punch because they fall over

591
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:53,990
and it's yeah it's absolutely abhorrent

592
00:25:58,450 --> 00:25:56,720
behavior but the the City of Sydney

593
00:26:01,720 --> 00:25:58,460
decided to deal with that behavior by

594
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:01,730
restricting the access to drinking

595
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:03,590
establishments so after half past 1:00

596
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:05,210
in the morning you can't get into a new

597
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:07,610
place and the problem that I have

598
00:26:10,899 --> 00:26:09,289
noticed is that this local area here

599
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:10,909
doesn't have these lockout laws in place

600
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:14,360
so we actually do seem to have and again

601
00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:15,650
this is anecdotally I don't have the

602
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,940
numbers we do seem to have an increase

603
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:17,840
in that kind of

604
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,490
people have moved to this area from

605
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:20,960
other areas because they can drink

606
00:26:25,270 --> 00:26:22,670
longer here and Newtown used to be a

607
00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:25,280
really happy chilled out alternative

608
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:27,800
yucky kind of place and it feels that

609
00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:29,240
like just no it's another busy street

610
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:31,670
you know so that's our ocean well it is

611
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:33,170
I mean Newtown has had the reputation

612
00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:35,570
and I've lived around this area for 20

613
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:37,430
plus years of being the sort of the

614
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:41,360
alternative laid-back ft area yeah and

615
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:43,250
yeah I'm not surprised that it's changed

616
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:45,710
because the traditional party areas in

617
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:47,180
Sydney have been shut down yeah

618
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:48,890
completely I don't Kings Cross you know

619
00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:51,460
it used to be the centre of

620
00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:54,350
entertainment and now it's desolate it's

621
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:55,880
an absolutely it was for many years

622
00:27:00,250 --> 00:26:57,890
because for especially fair listeners

623
00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:00,260
out who don't know Kings Cross is an

624
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:03,260
area not too far from the docks and it

625
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,790
was very famous for an area when the

626
00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:06,320
sailors came in the port especially

627
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:08,180
during the war and after the war it all

628
00:27:11,620 --> 00:27:09,770
run up the hill to Kings Cross and

629
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:11,630
that's where the clubs developed and the

630
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:14,090
strip clubs and the the night clubs and

631
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:15,650
the gambling dens and all that sort of

632
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:17,390
stuff but yes the last few years that's

633
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:18,710
changed dramatically we're straying a

634
00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:25,160
little bit from our so obviously as well

635
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,580
as superstitions from clinicians there

636
00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:30,080
are plenty of superstitions from

637
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:32,390
patients which we see quite a lot right

638
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:35,930
yeah people who I mean they'll cling

639
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:38,690
obviously to certain liked ones so

640
00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:40,430
you'll get patients who refuse to refuse

641
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,230
that sorry refuse to remove their

642
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:44,720
crucifix for an x-ray for example

643
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:46,130
doesn't happen that often they're

644
00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:47,450
generally happy as long as I can keep it

645
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:48,860
in their hand or have it within sight

646
00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:50,330
but I've seen a few patients that have

647
00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:52,580
actually flat-out refused and we've had

648
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,470
to refuse and do the imaging examination

649
00:27:58,540 --> 00:27:56,450
because that that necklace would be on

650
00:28:01,270 --> 00:27:58,550
that image and it would be under

651
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:01,280
diagnostic okay so that's an interesting

652
00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:02,450
one also you get people who will have

653
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:04,280
obviously treated themselves to a

654
00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:06,650
certain point with maybe herbes

655
00:28:12,010 --> 00:28:09,920
that's interesting that's interesting

656
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:12,020
that's something which is a big problem

657
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,730
because if you're taking for example

658
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,100
homeopathy it doesn't matter because

659
00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:17,840
that you now you're seeking help so

660
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:19,430
that's fine it won't interact with what

661
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:20,600
you're making some obviously some

662
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,250
Chinese medicines do have an active

663
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:24,320
ingredient and some of them I said most

664
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:26,600
of them so unregulated you don't know

665
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:28,460
what the doses are within of course so

666
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:30,230
when someone comes in and they've

667
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,180
already taken say a substance and then

668
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:34,640
we give them something else they may

669
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,290
react to each other it may cause an

670
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:38,000
impedance of a reaction something like

671
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:38,990
that so that's something we always have

672
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:40,430
to be aware of is making sure that

673
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:42,950
especially the older patients who may

674
00:28:45,970 --> 00:28:44,660
not speak English we have to make sure

675
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:45,980
that we're getting a full history of

676
00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:47,660
exactly what it is may not have taken

677
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:49,820
yeah but the good thing is obviously if

678
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:52,190
you have a high number of non-english

679
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,200
speaking patients you chances are have a

680
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,440
high number of Douro at multilingual

681
00:29:00,460 --> 00:28:59,120
staff so yeah which is really really

682
00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:00,470
help which you would have here I'm sure

683
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:01,340
absolutely

684
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:05,510
that's something we have to bear in mind

685
00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:08,840
and also another issue which is close to

686
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:12,920
my heart we do quite a lot of head and

687
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:15,470
neck CT scans on patients who may have

688
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:17,330
just visited a chiropractor all right

689
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,010
are now suffering the symptoms of a

690
00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:22,640
stroke yeah yeah Rich's jaws dropped my

691
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:25,700
put it back wow that's scary it's very

692
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:28,700
scary and it's to be honest one is too

693
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,530
many but it's a lot more than one yeah

694
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:32,960
and yeah so what happens is a patient

695
00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:35,330
well a person will go along to see their

696
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:41,660
chiropractor and they'll have their when

697
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:42,920
I was younger I had that done to me yeah

698
00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:44,570
oh yeah yeah absolutely so they'll have

699
00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:46,100
their neck cracked a couple of times and

700
00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:47,750
you've got these arteries which run

701
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:49,580
along your neck and they can cope with

702
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:51,950
the normal amount of moving your head up

703
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:54,950
and down yeah but it's when you have

704
00:29:58,419 --> 00:29:56,090
that sudden

705
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:58,429
kasev stretch where you can cause what's

706
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,750
called a dissection and it's where that

707
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:02,000
vessel gets stretched beyond its beyond

708
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,630
its elasticity and it just rips

709
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:06,710
sometimes it'll rip a neat little hole

710
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:08,210
and sometimes it'll actually puppeteer

711
00:30:11,649 --> 00:30:10,070
all the way down yeah it's it's

712
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:11,659
thousands of listeners or group of

713
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:13,909
singers exactly exactly and then what

714
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:15,950
happens is a lot of the time it's not

715
00:30:19,659 --> 00:30:18,650
instant the symptoms of the patient so

716
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,669
they'll leave the chiropractor's office

717
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,960
and they might go and get a coffee and

718
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,120
then they're just not feeling just wrong

719
00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:26,480
yeah and there's not really any specific

720
00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:27,980
symptoms for it they'll just maybe have

721
00:30:31,899 --> 00:30:29,299
headaches maybe their visions going

722
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:31,909
sometimes just have a sense of doom this

723
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:33,289
real sense that something is up

724
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:36,220
and then they'll attend the IDI and then

725
00:30:41,049 --> 00:30:39,049
usually if they say the c-word they've

726
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,059
been a practice what comes up on the

727
00:30:45,549 --> 00:30:43,760
scan what it shows is basically blood

728
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:45,559
it's just bleeding and they'll either be

729
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:47,240
bleeding into their neck so that they're

730
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:49,190
just losing blood into their neck or if

731
00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:50,840
it's up at the very very top by the

732
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:52,039
brain they can bleed and they can

733
00:30:56,380 --> 00:30:54,289
actually have a hemorrhagic stroke so

734
00:31:01,480 --> 00:30:56,390
they can have a bleed on the brain Wow

735
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:01,490
which could be fatal absolutely so

736
00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:02,539
that's the thing is a lot of people

737
00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:04,700
think about chiropractors and bones and

738
00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:06,020
maybe the damage that could be doing to

739
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:09,100
bones but you'd have to take some pretty

740
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:12,740
Swift movements I think to fracture a

741
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:15,500
cervical vertebra you're much much more

742
00:31:19,149 --> 00:31:17,690
likely to dissect your your arteries

743
00:31:21,070 --> 00:31:19,159
there what now now when I think back

744
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:21,080
because I had a whiplash injury which

745
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:23,419
was a course and the playground it was I

746
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,100
was beat beat up once but the injury now

747
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:30,080
you're a medical professional can you

748
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:31,100
feel that bump there

749
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:32,570
that's that bump has been with me since

750
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,640
about 1977 1976 anyway no bump in the

751
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,950
back of my neck and for years I had

752
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,799
migraines and I went my dad didn't know

753
00:31:46,539 --> 00:31:44,480
so we went to a chiropractor you know

754
00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:46,549
and he used to put me on the bed and

755
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:49,100
then one-two-three crunk and a nut you

756
00:31:53,649 --> 00:31:50,360
know that noise you made with your

757
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:53,659
knuckles before and now I think back yes

758
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:56,210
that was a swift violent yeah movement

759
00:32:01,120 --> 00:31:58,549
of the neck yeah absolutely and again so

760
00:32:02,890 --> 00:32:01,130
I wouldn't

761
00:32:04,539 --> 00:32:02,900
I don't know you can do it to yourself

762
00:32:05,770 --> 00:32:04,549
absolutely i crunch my knuckles all the

763
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,780
time and I'll occasionally do my neck

764
00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:07,039
all the time because I know what my

765
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:09,860
limits are hmm I would never dream of

766
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:11,030
doing that to someone else

767
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:12,410
I couldn't imagine because you don't

768
00:32:16,779 --> 00:32:14,660
know what their thresholds for pain very

769
00:32:20,529 --> 00:32:16,789
good point you don't know I mean you

770
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:20,539
might know something about bones you

771
00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:23,539
don't know everyone so yeah every person

772
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:24,919
is different everyone so for example I

773
00:32:27,370 --> 00:32:26,090
can bend my thumb all the way down to

774
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,380
touch my forum not me you can do that

775
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:29,360
but because I can do it doesn't mean I

776
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:31,190
could do it too you know I'm trying now

777
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:33,530
I don't possibly do it everyone has very

778
00:32:37,659 --> 00:32:35,210
different you know hollering TSA's for

779
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,669
what they can and can't cope with and

780
00:32:40,299 --> 00:32:38,720
that's the problem with these

781
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:40,309
chiropractic manipulations is that

782
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:42,830
they're so Swift and percussive that

783
00:32:47,289 --> 00:32:45,350
there's no allowance for differences in

784
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,299
movement and you do get these situations

785
00:32:51,789 --> 00:32:49,039
where perfectly healthy generally quite

786
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:51,799
young people will come in to IDI and

787
00:32:56,110 --> 00:32:54,049
they'll be actively having a stroke Wow

788
00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:56,120
it's terrifying that must be terrifying

789
00:32:59,919 --> 00:32:57,500
yeah I think in your States has been a

790
00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:59,929
couple of I want to say an actor even

791
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:01,730
who was taken out with a similar thing

792
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:03,559
and actually had some really severe

793
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:06,049
nerve damage as well and it happens a

794
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:07,340
lot more frequently than you think the

795
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:08,809
issue being that it doesn't happen on

796
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:11,030
the chiropractor's bed so it doesn't

797
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:13,000
happen in the office with them there

798
00:33:17,289 --> 00:33:15,740
there's no way of getting back to it and

799
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:17,299
a lot of the time yeah they'll say they

800
00:33:19,779 --> 00:33:18,530
went to a chiropractor and then what's

801
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:19,789
Kahneman and we'll do everything but

802
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:22,039
we're a bit more focused on saving their

803
00:33:25,149 --> 00:33:23,870
life not to get the details of the

804
00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:25,159
chiropractor and I think maybe we could

805
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:26,780
be doing more maybe there should be a

806
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,510
mandatory reporting so scenario where

807
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:31,400
you have to say so for example if you

808
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:33,289
take a medication and you have a side

809
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:35,030
effect if it's a new medication there'll

810
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:36,860
be a slip that there has to be filled

811
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:38,570
out for all side effects that come from

812
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:40,070
that medication and it's just something

813
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:41,270
that has to be reported so that when you

814
00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:42,740
get these leaflets you know when you get

815
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:44,120
a new medication you get this massively

816
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:46,100
yeah it's got everything from redacted

817
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:48,470
insert yes everything from death to Down

818
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:49,850
syndrome the opium gift from this

819
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:51,470
medication because someone at some point

820
00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:53,059
has reported a side effect and it may or

821
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:54,260
may not have anything to do with it but

822
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:55,700
still there I was just in the States a

823
00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:57,110
little while ago and believe me half the

824
00:34:02,260 --> 00:33:59,350
advertising on the TV there is for

825
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:02,270
prescription pharmaceuticals and New

826
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:03,350
Zealand the only two countries in the

827
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:04,460
world where you can legally advertise

828
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:06,110
pharmacy really on television but the

829
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:11,210
disclaimer yes jumping through the field

830
00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:11,960
and

831
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:13,940
cuddling their kids people have reported

832
00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:17,149
and that goes on and on and death yeah

833
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:17,780
exactly

834
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,460
so that's the thing is with medications

835
00:34:22,839 --> 00:34:21,440
we have this obligation to report every

836
00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:22,849
possible side effect and everything that

837
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:24,980
has gone wrong but with chiropractic

838
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,260
manipulation there's no reporting

839
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:28,639
structure for that why is that

840
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:31,730
ah I think again because it doesn't

841
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:33,560
happen in the room it happens later on

842
00:34:39,609 --> 00:34:37,460
and like I said no Edie doctor is gonna

843
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:39,619
want to be trawling through information

844
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:41,300
to get the details of exactly which

845
00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:42,740
chiropractor and getting all that kind

846
00:34:46,359 --> 00:34:44,899
of stuff together there should be there

847
00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:46,369
should be a way of doing it I feel like

848
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:48,589
that we should have more sort of come

849
00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:50,899
back to get these people and and so like

850
00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:52,669
especially if one in particular is got a

851
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:54,679
bad reputation for doing it because

852
00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,450
that's an issue too is that you might

853
00:35:01,060 --> 00:34:58,700
find that maybe 80% of chiropractors

854
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:01,070
don't do neck manipulations because it's

855
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:03,770
too much of a risk but those 20% who do

856
00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:05,720
could be the ones damaging all these

857
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:06,500
people Wow

858
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:09,260
wow that's an interesting little side

859
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,550
trip we just went on because I wasn't

860
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:12,230
expecting that now to talk about

861
00:35:15,849 --> 00:35:14,390
superstitions but at all it's old it's

862
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:15,859
lumpy and it's all part of it it's all

863
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:18,440
part of the medical profession helping

864
00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:21,080
to fight superstition and woo yeah if we

865
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:23,869
might be general and say it like that so

866
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:27,200
to round up what other ones spring to

867
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:28,849
mind when we talk about superstitions in

868
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:32,630
your line of work again for us it's a

869
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:35,270
lot of oh well Thursday nights I don't

870
00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:36,950
like Thursday nights because this always

871
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:38,900
happens and and that kind of thing and

872
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:40,970
most of them are based in reality in the

873
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:43,190
sense of you know that Thursday is the

874
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:44,990
new Friday so everyone now goes out on

875
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,010
Thursday night and they all get

876
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:48,320
absolutely ratted on that night instead

877
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:49,940
of a Friday maybe so you know what's

878
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:52,910
gonna be worse but as far as like I do

879
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:54,680
actually have personal two positions as

880
00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:57,470
things like if I've taken an x-ray on

881
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:00,730
someone who was a bit difficult I won't

882
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:03,260
put everything away once I've done it

883
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:04,820
because if I put everything away once

884
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:06,080
I've done it and I process my image my

885
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,910
image will be bad so I'll call

886
00:36:12,099 --> 00:36:09,920
everything in the room I'm ready to do a

887
00:36:14,020 --> 00:36:12,109
repeat image if necessary okay you know

888
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:14,030
it's the same with with a lot of other

889
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:16,250
examinations that we do like if it was a

890
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:17,900
little bit difficult or if it was too

891
00:36:21,690 --> 00:36:19,000
easy that's the other one

892
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:21,700
was too easy don't act like you finished

893
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:23,320
don't tell the patient or we're all done

894
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:25,720
now cuz guaranteed you won't be and

895
00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:27,840
that's my personal superstition which I

896
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:29,740
will never grow out of that

897
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:30,910
that is something well it's interesting

898
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:32,710
it's interesting now think about it

899
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:35,020
because superstitions are very common

900
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:37,810
where the outcome is uncertainty and in

901
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:39,730
the medical profession often the out and

902
00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:41,980
an emergency situation so I'm not

903
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:44,020
surprised I'm not surprised

904
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:47,230
and then so a little bit of a factoid

905
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:49,510
for people in all of the medical imaging

906
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:51,430
modalities of which we have x-ray we

907
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:53,260
have ultrasound we have CT you have a

908
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,050
few other interventional types MRI is

909
00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:58,240
the only one that can instantly kill you

910
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:00,910
now how do you think that might be you

911
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:03,190
know MRI involves a magnetic imaging

912
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:10,780
magnetic a very strong magnetic field

913
00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:14,950
yep so if you have something metallic

914
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,820
about you

915
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:18,400
mm-hmm so the magnet is always on it's

916
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,350
never off okay it's always on all the

917
00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:23,680
time and yeah it's happened in the past

918
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:25,270
where someone may have just brought an

919
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:27,400
oxygen cylinder into the MRI suite and

920
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:29,800
the patient's been on the table inside

921
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:32,380
the bore and then the oxygen cylinder

922
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:34,630
gets sucked right inside the border and

923
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:36,910
in one case that was quite a famous case

924
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:38,680
it hit the patient on the chin because

925
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:40,780
it came up from towards their feet area

926
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:42,190
how much was obtained and kill them

927
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:44,290
instantly so yeah MRI is the only one

928
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:48,130
that can instantly finish you off yeah

929
00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:49,870
it doesn't happen very often we're very

930
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:51,340
very proud and we get to work with

931
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:54,190
Faraday cages all the time you do pages

932
00:37:59,310 --> 00:37:55,810
after a Faraday cage in case of the

933
00:38:00,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Lightning right why is that so that you

934
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:00,850
don't feel the strength of the magnet

935
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:02,230
when you're in the control room which is

936
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:04,390
has a window beyond you and there and

937
00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:06,910
the magnet Wow yeah and nowadays as well

938
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:08,920
we've got some pretty cool magnets so it

939
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:10,180
used to be back in the old days you have

940
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:12,820
like a 1.5 tesla as you're kind of the

941
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:14,590
highest rated magnet that you've got

942
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:16,660
you've now got after seven Tesla which

943
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:19,180
could could do some real damage

944
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:23,650
like magneto in the x-men exactly yeah

945
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:25,090
I'd love to bet to harness that into

946
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:27,670
your fingertips wouldn't that be cool

947
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:29,110
well Trish thank you for sparing a

948
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:30,550
little bit of time after your shift your

949
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:31,390
busy shift tonight

950
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:32,890
thank you for showing me this lovely

951
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:35,830
little garden I'll just stand up it

952
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:37,930
looks like something out of the the

953
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:39,850
century before last now I'll just walk

954
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:41,890
up this little path here and there's a M

955
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:44,590
it's a sundial look at that it's a

956
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:46,840
beautiful old sundial surrounded by

957
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:49,090
bright trees and tall buildings so it's

958
00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:50,860
absolutely useless but at least it's

959
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:55,390
here and I look forward to seeing you

960
00:38:59,460 --> 00:38:57,370
soon on another stranger things down

961
00:39:03,300 --> 00:38:59,470
under adventure I hope indeed I hope so

962
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,310
and but for now from the lovely gardens

963
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:05,170
of the Royal Prince Alfred Trish Hahn

964
00:39:11,570 --> 00:39:07,630
thank you very much you're welcome thank

965
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:28,310
[Music]

966
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:30,000
hey Richard

967
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:34,210
oh hi Trish Wow would you like a coffee

968
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:35,410
yeah thanks what you're working on

969
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:37,240
you're trying to come up with a new

970
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:39,610
promo to play on the skeptic zone who's

971
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:42,430
it for the good thinking Society in the

972
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:44,830
UK you know Michael Marshall Simon Singh

973
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:47,170
Norah Thomas and background oh yeah I

974
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:48,970
know them they've been doing some great

975
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,450
work investigating veterinary homeopathy

976
00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:54,160
veterinary homeopathy what you sugarpill

977
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:55,960
this for cows I know right

978
00:39:59,070 --> 00:39:57,430
and also they're looking at some of the

979
00:40:01,590 --> 00:39:59,080
dodgy medical advice given by UK

980
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:01,600
chiropractors really okay look I'll

981
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:03,640
mention all that in the promo now their

982
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:07,780
website is good thinking society cool

983
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,870
and they've recently been reporting on

984
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:12,400
the resurgence of faith healer peter

985
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:15,340
Popoff you know right okay look thanks

986
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:16,900
that it gives me something good to think

987
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:28,870
[Music]

988
00:40:33,319 --> 00:40:31,160
this story comes to us from the Daily

989
00:40:36,219 --> 00:40:33,329
Telegraph Online Daily Telegraph calm

990
00:40:41,779 --> 00:40:36,229
today you by daniele the measurer

991
00:40:44,179 --> 00:40:41,789
published on the 11th of January 2018 54

992
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:44,189
New South Wales children have likely

993
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:47,249
died from a disease for which a vaccine

994
00:40:51,859 --> 00:40:49,890
was available and almost half of the

995
00:40:58,939 --> 00:40:51,869
deaths over the past decade were

996
00:41:04,160 --> 00:40:58,949
considered quote preventable there were

997
00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:04,170
23 cases between 2005 and 2014 in which

998
00:41:08,419 --> 00:41:06,299
a child's death was deemed quote

999
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:08,429
preventable in quote or quote

1000
00:41:13,699 --> 00:41:11,150
potentially preventable in quote a

1001
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:13,709
confronting University of Sydney study

1002
00:41:20,029 --> 00:41:17,249
reveals 12 of those fatalities were due

1003
00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:20,039
to influenza and five from meningococcal

1004
00:41:25,489 --> 00:41:22,469
disease the most common vaccine

1005
00:41:29,689 --> 00:41:25,499
preventable illness child health care

1006
00:41:31,509 --> 00:41:29,699
experts urged more expectant mums to get

1007
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,519
their jabs in the wake of the research

1008
00:41:38,989 --> 00:41:34,160
conducted for the New South Wales

1009
00:41:41,209 --> 00:41:38,999
Ombudsman child death review team the

1010
00:41:43,309 --> 00:41:41,219
opposition said it was a quote wake-up

1011
00:41:46,669 --> 00:41:43,319
call end quote for the baroja Klien

1012
00:41:49,759 --> 00:41:46,679
government Gladys marriage' Klien is the

1013
00:41:52,009 --> 00:41:49,769
the Premier of New South Wales coupled

1014
00:41:54,469 --> 00:41:52,019
with increased uptake of childhood

1015
00:41:57,499 --> 00:41:54,479
influenza vaccinations maternal

1016
00:42:00,380 --> 00:41:57,509
vaccination could reduce deaths quote

1017
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:00,390
particularly from influenza unquote but

1018
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:03,630
also whooping cough quote an additional

1019
00:42:10,539 --> 00:42:07,170
15 deaths would be potentially

1020
00:42:13,729 --> 00:42:10,549
preventable as of August 2016 due to

1021
00:42:15,849 --> 00:42:13,739
immunization recommendations including

1022
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:15,859
maternal vaccination and quote the

1023
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:19,410
researchers wrote while nine babies aged

1024
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:21,630
two months or younger were too young to

1025
00:42:26,779 --> 00:42:24,150
be vaccinated it was noted their deaths

1026
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:26,789
quote may have been preventable through

1027
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,400
maternal vaccination during pregnancy in

1028
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:32,160
quote Labour's acting health spoke

1029
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:34,770
woman Tina mihalick said the state

1030
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,730
government had allowed the quote radical

1031
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:40,400
anti-vaxxer movement a free run at

1032
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,250
influencing mothers in quote quote this

1033
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:46,079
should never happen and the government

1034
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,210
needs to do more to counter the deadly

1035
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:51,000
spin of the and Eve axes men quote she

1036
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:54,510
said Australia's Medical Association New

1037
00:43:00,680 --> 00:42:58,160
South Wales president Brad Franklin said

1038
00:43:03,049 --> 00:43:00,690
anti-vaxxers were partly responsible for

1039
00:43:05,059 --> 00:43:03,059
the deaths quote if they convince a

1040
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:05,069
single parent not to vaccinate their

1041
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:07,079
child due to false information they're

1042
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,630
culpable in my opinion and quote he said

1043
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:12,240
while influenza vaccination is

1044
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,190
recommended for all children between six

1045
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:16,619
months and five years of age researchers

1046
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:19,859
noted it was only funded for those at a

1047
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:23,280
higher risk and quote coverage is very

1048
00:43:28,549 --> 00:43:26,250
low end quote chief medical officer

1049
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:28,559
kerrie Chand said New South Wales health

1050
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:30,690
was working with the Ombudsman in

1051
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:33,210
relation to the study dr. chance said

1052
00:43:38,539 --> 00:43:35,609
free influenza and whooping cough

1053
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:38,549
pertussis vaccination was available to

1054
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:40,529
all pregnant women in New South Wales

1055
00:43:45,769 --> 00:43:43,230
quote there has been a lot of work on

1056
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:45,779
improving immunization coverage in the

1057
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:48,510
timelines of immunisation and New South

1058
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,690
Wales health is continuing to pursue

1059
00:43:56,029 --> 00:43:53,760
initiatives to avoid the tragedy of

1060
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,039
preventable deaths end quote she said

1061
00:44:02,420 --> 00:43:59,520
and here's a quote from dr. chant

1062
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,430
courtesy of the Macquarie Media Network

1063
00:44:06,289 --> 00:44:04,680
the paper provides an important reminder

1064
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:06,299
that children are still dying of

1065
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:08,609
diseases that are easily preventable by

1066
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:12,660
vaccination and the wake-up call for for

1067
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,720
us that we have to do do better I would

1068
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,240
like to say that vaccination rates have

1069
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:20,579
significantly increased in New South

1070
00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:27,740
and that story comes to us from daniela

1071
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:30,600
mishra published a daily telegraph calm

1072
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:34,990
today you on the 11th of January 2018

1073
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:55,840
in Radford here if I can have a minute

1074
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,140
of your time I'd like to shamelessly

1075
00:45:01,180 --> 00:44:59,119
plug my new book it's called

1076
00:45:03,609 --> 00:45:01,190
investigating ghosts and scientific

1077
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:03,619
search for spirits examines ghost

1078
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:05,330
hunting in ghost investigations from

1079
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:07,340
historical cultural and evidence-based

1080
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:09,619
perspective from the Victorian era to

1081
00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:12,410
modern TV ghost hunters it is in a way a

1082
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:14,540
follow-up to my 2010 book scientific

1083
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,280
paranormal investigation how to solve

1084
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:18,560
unexplained mysteries that book was more

1085
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:19,810
general covering everything from

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psychics to crop circles to monsters and

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ghosts but I realized that ghosts are a

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special category not only are ghosts the

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most popular paranormal pursuit but

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ghost hunting also has its own set of

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assumptions and challenges the book will

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be available soon for under 20 bucks and

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for more information on the book and me

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check out Benjamin Radford com please

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check it out

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Thanks

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and thank you again to those people

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contribute to the brit homies defense

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fund legal fund and as i said at the top

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of the show that that's proving already

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at this very very early stage something

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that skeptics were there finding

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themselves being rallied to the cause

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it's it's great to see

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oh and some news about the ongoing

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predictions project that i started at

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the beginning of last year

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now I originally thought I would get

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this project done and have it published

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in November or January last year this is

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where I have collated published

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predictions by psychics in Australia

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dating back to the year 2000 but the

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more I collided the more it grew the

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more I found it turned into quite a

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monster so much so that I've decided now

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to extend the the project for another

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year that's fine I mean the predictions

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aren't going anywhere and I might be

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seeking your help

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we'll see there are so many predictions

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to to check over it's an interesting

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process too because some predictions are

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vague and some require a live research

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you know detailed research into

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financial situations if that's what a

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psychic predicted with interest rates

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here or housing markets there or obscure

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local issues or things like that but I

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can tell you that yeah more or less even

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at this stage of collating and looking

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at early statistics yeah it's something

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in the order of 8% at this stage 8%

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correct which means give or take and

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it's sometimes difficult to say

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certainly over 90% of what psychics

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predict is wrong

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I can tell you that at this stage those

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statistics will be refined over the

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coming months I'm sure but what's

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interesting too is that I had a lot of

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skeptical people write their own

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predictions for last year 2017 as a

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measure as a control I guess you'd say

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and more or less so far they're scoring

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better than the psychics make of that

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what you will

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oh and thank you to the Bay Area

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skeptics who mentioned my report with

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Eugenie Scott about the big trees most

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favorably well folks I had such a

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wonderful time wandering around the the

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big trees with Eugenie Scott I hope that

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came out in the report and thank you to

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the Bay Area skeptics but for this week

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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